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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Very interesting conversation. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2
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lions-l-bounces@baker.hs.org [mailto:lions-l-bounces@baker.hs.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Curly Harman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:45
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> The Baker Lions' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lions-l] correct
political paradox</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>As a veteran of
35 years as a Human Resources Executive ( aka Personnel) here's some info for
all to consider. The original question on employers questionnaire's shows
the intent of discovery at the onset of Racial data collection. We
were all taught to remember the key categories by the easy tickler
C-O-I-N-S.......Caucasian, Oriental, Indian (<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">India</st1:place></st1:country-region>), Negro, Spanish (of
non-American descent). "Political correctness" eventually
took over and COINS was replaced by a variety of descriptors. When
someone asked the question, "what do I select if I am of mixed
race?" the instructions were to select the one category
you prefer most to be identified with. The data was used to
calculate the population mix on the job compared to the population mix
of a specific region to detect if adverse impact was at play i.e.....if the
region consisted of 20% Negro and you only employed 10% Negro...you were instructed
by the law to make favorable changes to your hiring practices to overcome
this "adverse impact" on society. All of this came out of the
Human Rights Act which originated in the 60's.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The term Spanish
of non-American descent created a flap at times as you might well
imagine. For example what would you call a Negro from <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Spain</st1:country-region> or a Caucasian from <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place>
as was posed in the earlier examples. In Human Resources they were
counted as Negro and Caucasian unless they specifically chose to be
identified as Spanish and Negro which very rarely occurred.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>One other
interesting point was that the only true Americans...the American Indian
were not categorized or counted on any of the early employer reports since
they were all officially counted by the Bureau of Indian Affairs and were not
an employment concern since the treaties specific to each tribe were what
drove those issues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Just provided as
an FYI...not intended to nit-pick or debate other comments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Bill
"Curly" Harman<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>BHS 1962<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Arial'>Eatonton</span></font></st1:City><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State w:st="on">GA</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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bold;font-style:italic'>From:</span></font></i></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:bullr@earthlink.net">Richard Bull</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Date:</span></font></i></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 6/12/2007 9:53:08 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>To:</span></font></i></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:lions-l@baker.hs.org">The Baker Lions' Mailing List</a>; <a
href="mailto:lions-l@baker.hs.org">lions-l@baker.hs.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold;font-style:italic'>Subject:</span></font></i></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Lions-l]
correct political paradox<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=3
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The question does
not address the "biology" of mixed "race" people very
well. It is intended more as a sociological definition or "Who /
whom do you identify yourself with? As <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region> continues to move
forward, we can hope that this nosey question is no longer any part of
the government's business. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Richard Bull<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1959<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:WillTraw@aol.com"
title="WillTraw@aol.com"></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:
</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><a href="mailto:lions-l@baker.hs.org"
title="lions-l@baker.hs.org">lions-l@baker.hs.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> 6/11/2007
11:51:08 PM <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[Lions-l] correct political paradox<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face=Arial id="role_document"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black'>Hello George,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>As the word <em><i><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'>race</span></font></i></em> has a number of meanings, it was
perfectly legitimate for the young lady to identify herself in either one of
several different categories (African, African American, Anglo, Kenyan (if
she came from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kenya</st1:place></st1:country-region>),
White, etc.). Check the meaning of race in the dictionary. If you
are filling in a blank on a questionnaire, without knowing what alternatives
you are to choose from, you cannot be faulted for writing in something that
might be unexpected. Race does not necessarily identify the color of
one's skin. It might indicate your national origin (American), the
continent of your ancestors (Asian, European), the geographic origin of your
ancestors (Eskimos), etc. People preparing questionnaires should be
aware of the different meanings of the word race and not ask such open-ended
questions. Nevertheless, I suspect the young lady was perhaps making a
political statement indicating that her sympathies lie with b! lack people
whose origins were in <st1:place w:st="on">Africa</st1:place>. And she
should have known that the questionnaire was probably just trying to identify
the color of her skin.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Hope you don't think this is just nit-picking.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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